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A Howlin Rain Must Fall

By: Dennis Cook

Howlin Rain returns to the road again next week. Dates and details here.

Howlin Rain by Josh Miller

Straight to it: Howlin Rain‘s third album, The Russian Wilds (released February 14 on American/Birdman) is an out-of-the-box classic. A vintage style double album, it fulfills and expands upon the promise of earlier work, offering up a fundamentally perfect rock n roll song cycle, a humming, utterly alive thing of blood, bone and muscle. Theres none cheeky obfuscation or clever sonic trickery common amongst modern bands to disguise compositional or musical shortcomings. Howlin Rain has no need to hide anything, and the confidence, ferocity and artfulness of The Russian Wilds harnesses and refines their already justifiably ballyhooed live presence into one of the most powerful, wide-ranging albums of the past few decades, a master work that howls and cries and laughs with gusto and enormous heart.

There was a point when we were really trying to blend Jimi Hendrixs Electric Ladyland, Steely Dans Gaucho and Bruce Springsteens Darkness On The Edge of Town, says bandleader-guitarist-singer-composer Ethan Miller, and the curious energies of this trio simmer in the subconscious of The Russian Wilds, though evident more in the eager creative reach, unshakable solidity and impassioned grace that runs in the veins of Howlin Rains latest. Boldness is another word that comes to mind, caught in the vintage Santana break on Phantom In The Valley, the hushed, peculiar sweetness and controlled power of Strange Thunder, the delicious pop sway of Beneath Wild Wings, and myriad other spots on the albums eleven often lengthy explorations. Yet, none of it feels obscure or distant, each piece dotted with small touches that elevate the good to the great, a cumulative realization that one is in the presence of real gutbucket artisans, descendents of greats like the Love, Patti Smith Group and the James Gang (whose Collage gets a superb makeover on Russian Wilds), and kin to fellow New Cosmic California movement members Chris Robinson Brotherhood, Assemble Head In Sunburst Sound, Wooden Shjips, and Vetiver.

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Miller, Raj Ojha (drums, percussion), Cyrus Comiskey (bass), Joel Robinow (keyboards, guitar, vocals) and Isaiah Mitchell (guitar, vocals) generate an elemental force together. Its easy to pick up on in their electrifying live shows, but their latest album arms them with material thats simply impossible to ignore, rock of such ground level rightness that it seizes and has its way with us and we invite it back to do it again and again. What was already a good thing has reached the next level with The Russian Wilds, and the long hours spent in its preparation have already unleashed a string of buzz-generating concerts that mark Howlin Rain as a major surprise waiting to happen for live music fans, particularly during the summer festival season where theyll be sharing the new songs with fresh audiences for the first time.

We sat down with Ethan Miller for a discussion of whats lead him to todays Howlin Rain, the nearly four year process of creating the new album, and more.

JamBase: Like many people, my introduction to you was Comets On Fire, and I was struck by what a different musician you are on The Russian Wilds than say the guy who made Blue Cathedral. Theres a lot of polish and intelligent design to the The Russian Wilds which is a sharp contrast to the chaos courting of Comets.

Noel von Harmonson

Ethan Miller: There is a grasp for perfection, for really highly majestic architecture [in Howlin Rain]. The Comets were after imperfection, especially the early stuff. When we decided we wanted [expert noise manipulator and sound warper] Noel [von Harmonson] in the group as a full-time member, that was a plan for chaos. His role was nothing short of that that was his job. And when you have a member whose listing on the album credits is chaos, well, thats pretty clear, though we did work at being perfectly chaotic [laughs]. Furthermore, the person that you hear as me on those early Comets records was a bit of a hard thing to tell who that person was because Noels chaos was intrinsically linked with my vocals, and the places I went and things I was saying were often very colorful but dense, even opaque.

JamBase: It has the hallucinatory quality of really deep, psychedelic metal.

As Comets got bigger the more people saw the shows and literally interacted with us and realized we were nice guys and not a dangerous band. Though I think people did sometimes deduce that [we were dangerous] initially from the music. This one druggy chick came up after a particularly intense show and had read things into what I was singing and said, I want you to know that its okay. Youre alright, and just consoled me because she thought I was cosmically askew and in a dangerous state towards myself. That made me happy, I guess, because its nice to hear youve put out something that powerful. Utrillo [Kushner, Comets drummer] got a note a while back from some guy who had seen us on hallucinogenics and felt Comets was putting something so powerful into the world in the performance he saw fucked up on mushrooms or something that it was affecting the world or universe in a powerfully negative way. It sounded one step away from, I need to kill these guys!

Thats seriously messed up. I personally had no idea what to make of Comets until I spent time with all of you for the Signal To Noise cover story I wrote years ago. I had NO assumptions because it was such a singular sound. And I quickly found you all to be pretty sweet, somewhat introverted guys.

Comets On Fire by J. Bennett

Well, were all extroverts to a certain extent but if you rubbed elbows with any of the Comets guys in the supermarket you wouldnt feel that magnetic rock star energy youd get rubbing up against Freddie Mercury in a supermarket. If you rubbed elbows with Freddie Mercury NOW in a supermarket it would be REALLY wild

Actually, I think Queen is a perfectly apt touchstone for what youre doing in Howlin Rain.

Wow, thats huge. Those guys are unreplicable.

You have the same undisguised ambition and boldness, and, especially on The Russian Wilds, focus on vocals.

For most people, vocals are the soul of the song. Thats where you get the narrative and emotion. The body, the muscle and power comes from the music itself, and the emotions are played out by the chord progressions, but its all meant to enhance that one voice. I know theres different takes on that, but its generally true. Once you get the storyteller on top thats where people say, Whoa, hes talking about MY memory, MY thing.

It goes deeper than the lyrics though. Its in the emotional quiver of the lead singers voice, and even the punctuation and nuance of backing vocals something especially on point and effective on The Russian Wilds.

HRs Joel Robinow & Ethan Miller by Susana Millman

It doesnt have to have words. When I say narrative it can be something like David Crosbys I’d Swear There Was Somebody Here, where he expressed everything he needed to in just this painful cry of the deepest kind of English. He didnt have to express heartbreak, death or loss in actual words, yet its all still there. Its a good lesson that sometimes creating a little thing spirits and ghosts with the voice can be the quickest way to let these lil hauntings happen in a song. You can just feel something coming from the corner.

It seems like the whole band pushed themselves to stir up such small but effective haunting on the new album.

These things that were talking about haunting an album with intricate, small details that often feel instead of see or hear initially that kind of detail only happens making a record over a longer span years instead of months. Thats the upside of this forever-journeying process and forever-questing album making style. There are a lot of downsides to it, but in retrospect I can see the upside. You cant purposefully endow an album with those kinds of things when youre doing a two weekend smash n grab – nail it, finish it and onto the next thing style. With a longer time frame you can work more cinematically.

Had you always worked in the quickie manner prior to The Russian Wilds?

Everything had been a little smash n grab, and everything will be smash n grab in the future compared to the time we spent on this [laughs]. I dont think its healthy to make records like this always. You turn into these maniac freaks like Talk Talk or Steely Dan, people who try so hard they drive themselves fucking insane!

Howlin Rain by Hilary Hulteen

You dont want to get sucked into your own Laughing Stock, where it consumes your life.

But you kind of do! Steely Dan and Talk Talk and in film guys like Terrence Malick and Stanley Kubrick definitely got into that shit. Though by the end of Kubricks life he had 10 million tiny details he was worried about and you dont want that! His films were always great but its not like that hyper-detail made them get better and better.

It becomes a sinkhole for your attention but what comes out the other side doesnt necessarily make for great or even better art in many cases. And as long as it took to make The Russian Wilds, the care comes through but it doesnt feel fussed over or overworked. Its a song cycle worth repeat inspection. Like the best rock slabs, it will take years of listening to pull out everything this album has to give.

There was an air of danger to us doing it the way we did. It might have cost our careers, our relationships in the band (and without), and it wasnt clear if all the guys would make it through this process. There were moments when the band was getting really strung out making a record for so long and it felt fucking crazy. There was a fear our lives would be frozen in this moment forever, and the urge to get out was strong at times. Its not funny. In the four years it took, Presidents have changed, whole bands careers have come and gone, and were out there trying to fill up this fuckin glass palace or ride the high seas. It sounds glamorous but anyone can imagine the depths of despair we hit. But, one thing Im endowed with is the ability to persevere. Im just not one of those people that gives up.

Its such a big work in its finished state, a double album in the classic sense.

Howlin Rain

Thank, God! Not only did the members of Howlin Rain put in their time, lives and energy into this because of their faith in the project but musically they just pushed themselves. They were all already crack musicians, and most people who play that well dont always want to admit theres room to go up, room to still push yourself. But these guys all said, Okay, were all great players. Now, how can we grind ourselves and really take it to a whole other level? Its an incredible thing to see musicians go past ego and keep searching. Everybody really engaged with that kind of thinking and discipline and challenge.

Rick Rubin was the executive producer on The Russian Wilds but the guy who was there in the trenches with you through the whole thing was Tim Green (The Fucking Champs), who may be one of the most underrated and under-praised producers today.

Yes, Tim was definitely in the trenches recording, and Rick worked on the pre-production pretty closely with me for the first year or two and helped with the songwriting and song choices. Then, when we went into the studio to record Tim took over and was there producing and recording and getting the right stuff. When that was done, they got together and got some Rick input. Tim and I were eyeball to eyeball for 18 months, which shows real dedication in his own life to the project.

Oftentimes you get guys in that business that are artists themselves and maybe they arent the most reliable person to be taking care of all this really technical stuff, which is the preservation of what you just recorded in the best possible fidelity. Tims brain functions really well on that mechanical perfectionism. Hes just SO reliable. At the same time, hes also a songwriter, musician, band dude and old school punk rock guy back in the day, so hes also good at working with ideas on the fly and helping guide things artistically as well.

Its just a fantastic sounding record. It sounds great in headphones and loud pouring out of speakers. Its a great driving album. It holds up in many settings.

The part Tim plays with any band he works with is being in the booth with headphones on. The band cant really hear whats going on, and he makes judgments about takes, etc. He decides whats perfect, good enough and not good enough where it needs to be done again. And depending on time and budget, he has to keep the whole thing moving. With [The Russian Wilds], he could make any of these three decisions from the control room, and we had the time to pursue perfection.

Howlin Rain by Adam Neal Gochnauer

For as much as the album boogies, theres a fair amount of complexity to each piece. Is there pent-up energy to share the new material live after so long in the studio?

Oh yeah, were going big this year. Were back out in the game bringing this thing to life. One thing is this band is not the band that played on the first and second records. So, theyve breathed new life and energy into the back catalog in a way that makes it feel new. Its exciting to play all the songs now, not just the new album stuff.

Theres a great deal of delicacy to the new songs, and its a challenge to get that material across in front of a live audience. One just hopes some will hush down and really pay attention when you break out gems like Strange Thunder. In fact, theres a lot of things to pay attention to with this band.

And we ask a lot of audiences, too. There is music thats more simplistic and easier to swallow with a shot when you want to chat with a friend and be social at a show. We ask a lot while trying to still serve up something that feels good, something that boogies and has that intrinsic feel-good rock element. We also try to engage people on a level that is artistic, the unfurls and unfolds as you go into it, and hopefully lasts a long time as you explore it, with perspectives changing as the song opens up and shifts for you. We want this to be something that changes and grows with you not just a piece of candy you chew on and spit out. Or maybe a shot you swallow and stumble home and cringe about the next day. We just want to take it a little bit further, where theres meaning, shadows, and darker pops within in the electrical currents.

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By: Dennis Cook

Todd Snider

Its the root of all evil, I agree
And I suppose the blossom would be my kind of poverty
But I know how mad Im gettin
Just knowing how much more youve got than me
Im thinking
Lets keep me from killing this guy, takin his shit.

Money is a hell of a thing. No matter how much one tries not to care, its the grease that makes the world turn round, the coin for our daily bread, not to mention our nights on the town and miles of highway that fill our tanks. While sometimes an atmosphere that we all swim in but dont discuss, money is front and center in our public discourse in 2012. The disparity between the haves and have-nots has gotten so bad that the subject simply must be addressed openly, taking different forms in the 2012 presidential race, Occupy Wall Street Movement, and elsewhere, but always part of the general chatter this year. And its likely to remain so for a good long time.

At first spin, Agnostic Hymns & Stoner Fables (released March 6 on Aimless Records), the latest album from East Nashville troubadour deluxe Todd Snider, seems a slab consciously crafted to address the anger and frustration of the 99-percent, but talk to Snider as we did and youll get to eavesdrop on below and whats clear is he didnt set out to do ANYTHING. This is just Snider wetting his index finger and picking up on the prevailing cultural breeze. Hes done it before in the war/bullying insights of 2008s Peace Queer, and theres a big scoop of truth in nearly every tune hes composed. But it wasnt his intention to write a manifesto for the disaffected or poke Right Wingers in the snout. If those things happen its a happy happenstance. Todds just a folk singer trying to figure all this stuff out for himself and distract some of us from our woes in the process.

New Album

However, theres a crackling electricity and full band sound to his new album that sets it apart, and sets the stage for his current round of touring (including a slate of California shows starting on Thursday, March 22 in Santa Cruz), which finds the usually solo Snider playing a lot of electric guitar and tapping into his inner rocker. The core touring band is comprised of Snider on guitar and lead vocals with the rhythm team of Eric McConnell (bass), Paul Griffith (drums), who both played on the new album. Chad Staehly of Great American Taxi also plays keys on the album and will be joining the touring unit at times, and the studio band on Agnostic Hymns is rounded out by Amanda Shires, a singer-songwriter in her own right who brings a delightfully wild energy on violin and backing vocals to the proceedings that recalls Scarlet Riveras stint with Bob Dylan.

Whether intentional or not though, Agnostic Hymns & Stoner Fables is cathartic as all get out, a steam valve for all the hot, bothered, emotional flutter between rich and poor, the empowered and the powerless, the Bible thumpers and religious naysayers. This song cycle does what art does at its best offer fresh perspectives and alternative ways of approaching situations while providing some small balm for the sobering reality that good things continue to happen to bad people no matter how much folks pray and moan.

Todd Snider by Max Flator

JamBase: This is a wonderfully pissed off record, though its not as if theres not plenty of kindling out there for such fires.

Todd Snider: I sort of made it in a blur. Even for all the time I worked on these songs, I wasnt looking up. Maybe the best way to say it is the way I made these songs was pretty chaotic. So, it was hard for me when I turned it in and people started saying its about the economy and that I sounded so pissed. At the time we were making it we were just rockin and staying up late. Id been working on the words for a long time but I hadnt been sharing them with too many people.

JamBase: The opening cut In The Beginning resonates on so many levels by interweaving humanitys early days with religions almost immediate control mechanism.

Todd Snider: Id heard that Napoleon said, Religion was invented to keep the poor from killing the rich. It stuck with me, and then it became part of a story I told at this bar Im a regular at in Nashville. [The Ballad of the] Kingsmen was another song that started that way. Get a few too many drinks into me and Id start telling these stories. The song was originally called Stoner Fable and I had another song called Agnostic Hymn, but then I decided to call the record that and made up new titles for the songs.

I think it works as a header for this collection, but perhaps youve always written agnostic hymns and stoner fables.

Todd Snider

Thats what Ive heard said. When Eric saw the title he said, Thats what all your songs are.

This record is about losing faith, or maybe more accurately how hard it is to have faith in much of anything these days social structures, a benevolent deity, family roles. Its hard ontological ground to walk around on. One wonders what shoes to wear.

Thats kind of how it went for me [laughs]. I dont know what happened with this one. I dont know where this shit came fromwell, I guess I probably do. Some of it is real personal, family related issues, but nothing is a real straight line trip. A lot of the lines came one at a time on this record and were then assembled over a long period of time. Ill be walking around, say going to the same bar every day, and I see something evocative or descriptive or vulnerable or something funny or a thought like, I wish youd called me, Ill write it down. I might see some tennis shoes hanging from a line and write that down. And these bits end up on my wall at home and wait until different pieces fit together. Some of the words may have spent a day or two in other songs.

Youre making musical stone soup.

Kind of, maybe more lyric salad.

No matter what part of the cultural and political spectrum in America you look at, folks are engaged in questions of spirituality, money, employment and power. But you didnt come at this subject matter with the intention of writing a screed. The material seems to have come and found you not the other way around.

One thing I hear people grumbling about, especially at my local bar, is the connection between rich people and God. It makes things very confusing for people. I guess it was Karl Roves idea from way back that Christianity and Republicans were a team. When people have this conversation, it seems like the 1-percent is really tied to church.

Well, in a lip-service way that doesnt incorporate the core teachings of the New Testament about poverty and charity in any substantive way.

There you go. There it is. Theres a big swath of the suburbs in this country where these two camps the Republicans and Christians have become the easiest clubs to join and take shelter in. If youre afraid of the world, youll find out quickly that you can join the church and no one really gives a shit if youre a good person or not. And you can join the Republican Party and they dont care much either. They want you and your numbers. Its a mentality of fear, where people join these two groups in some pockets and are so crazy afraid theyve meshed together despite real core differences. Its like:

Were the Animal Savers and youre the Puppy Kickers. Lets join forces! Doesnt anybody want to talk about this? No! Just look how much bigger we are together! Look how much better we can bully people together! What a team wed be!

People join both of these things to feel safeor to tell their boss at work that they go to church, maybe even his church. I dont know if all this is connected to the record but it might be [laughs].

There is a cognitive dissonance to these relationships. And beyond the safety in numbers factor, theres the comforting feeling of a hermetically sealed philosophy that makes the stupid, cruel, random universe make sense. People on both ends of the political spectrum surround themselves with input that serves only to confirm their pre-existing ideas and feelings, and this positioning makes it easier to see anyone who disagrees with you as the enemy.

Its embarrassing we still behave this way.

Todd Snider and his Best Gal

Tell me, as a fairly liberal, open-minded fellow, how is it you still live in Tennessee in the heart of Southern Bible Belt-ery?

My house probably. My wife and I have talked about moving to Santa Cruz or Folly Beach in South Carolina – theyre almost the same places to me. We got this house [in East Nashville] so long ago, and weve done so much in it got engaged in it, got married in it, lost dogs in it. Every time we look at other places, we think, How are we ever going to replace this So, I think were gonna be here. In fact, were about to knock down some more walls so we better fuckin stay here!

So, what do you think about the Occupy Wall Street movement?

Im definitely a liberal and I get it and Im for it. It would be nice to have some light shed on the differences between the very wealthy and everyone else. And Im for almost anything that involves music, pot and hacky sack, though I dont know if theres much of that at this [OWS] thing, which is a negative to me. On the other hand, I wish they were a little more organized and had clearer ideas. Theres a part of me that thinks, You look a lil Tea Party out there. I get the idea, but I dont know if camping in front of city halls is gonna do much, though its nice.

And with music [in such social movements], I have a weird attitude about it. I often think the best you can get out of it is Saturday night, 90 minutes, $22 dollarsor an album. Its hard for me to not see it at face value after being in it for so long. When I was younger, I thought Bob Marley did things. Now, its hard for me to even ask this question. Im certain Im not doing anything.

Todd Snider

My contribution to this world as a folk singer is distraction from your doomand that only lasts as long as a little record or a concert. I say a bunch of shit political shit but the main motivation I have to say those things is Im a folk singer and I want songs. Its a pretty selfish and un-noble thing at its core, but thats not to say I dont care about people. I dont go to any of these movements, and at least Im not trying to pass myself off as someone you need or can learn from. Im neither of those things. Maybe Dylan is

but even he, the Grand Master of such things, long ago stepped away from any leadership role in ANY movement. Hes only comfortable calling himself a musician.

Its a three-chord grift and maybe always will be.

But this does tie into the general loss of faith going around, present company very much included.

I heard someone the other day say, They ask you if the glass if half empty or half full. What difference does it make? Theres a tiny hole in the bottom of that motherfucker and its draining and will, at some point, be empty. Period. [laughs]. I dont mind it. Once you admit youre doomed thats when the real dancing starts.

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A Chat with Jerry Joseph

By: Dennis Cook

The Jackmormons tour behind their new album begins tonight, March 20, in Moscow, ID, before heading into a string of Montana shows this weekend and a California run in April. Full dates and details for tour here.

Jerry Joseph and the Jackmormons by Tony Morey

Happy probably isnt the first word to come to mind when one considers Jerry Joseph, a warts-and-all rock prophet carrying on the good work of dudes like John Lennon, Warren Zevon and Joe Strummer. However, his latest long-player with 17-years-and-counting cohorts The Jackmormons – Joseph (guitar, lead vocals), JR Ruppel (bass, backing vocals) and Steve Drizos (drums, backing vocals) is dotted with passages of genuine uplift, hard won hope hiding in the craggy, sharp places of our lives. Happy Book (released March 20 on Response Records) takes a buzzsaw to the babble and bullshit bubbling all around today, using guitars, bass and drums to douse out well springs of renewal and truth. Its a powerful album, and one strangely and beautifully illuminated by an inner light that shines despite all the death and disappointment that abound in the world. Joseph and the Jackmormons resistance to glib panaceas and dedication to taut, dense musicality gives Happy Book a rare combination of heft and accessibility that speaks to universal things but never panders or dumbs down the conversation. Aided by some of Portland, Oregons finest – Jenny Conlee-Drizos and Chris Funk (The Decemberists), Eric Earley (Blitzen Trapper), Dan Eccles and Paul Brainard (Richmond Fontaine), Little Sue Weaver as well as Wally Ingram, Happy Book was produced by Josephs former Little Women percussionist Gregg Williams (Dandy Warhols, Blitzen Trapper), and marks the groups first proper double album, an expansive, inquisitive set that one absorbs slowly, the sweetness and medicine of it all too much to digest at once but ultimately just the cure for what ails us.

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We snagged Jerry for a winding, insightful conversation about whats going in his music today and earlier that touches on U2, Whitney Houston and Coldplay as well as the Killing Fields of the Khmer Rouge, the nature of God, and much else. One rarely goes at a subject any subject with Joseph directly. Its the long way around, but much is learned in the journey towards ones destination in his company.

JamBase: Happy Book shows off a pretty good range of what youre about as an artist, and the band seems unafraid to explore any tributary that interests them. This is, in many ways, a cool handshake to listeners who arent familiar with your work.

Jerry Joseph: Well, I always let my expectations get too high and then watch things go under the indie label grinder [laughs]. The fact is Im 50-years-old and I listen to a lot of different music, so I think itd be weird if I put out a record and it sounded all the same. Clearly, Im not getting a Grammy next year [laughs]. Its a process of digesting your disappointment and putting on your brave face.

JamBase: Cynical but you speak from a position of experience.

Jerry Joseph: You make things and youre proud of them, but you try to get a certain detachment from them. I always feign not caring BUT I do.

Its easier to deal with the world-at-large if you convey a certain practiced ennui. People dont want you to care TOO much. Actual passion seems to make a lot of them nervous…

Jerry Joseph by Phil Santala

which is funny because theres Bono, who each time out says, This is amazing. This is a brand new band. Hes got his fucking bullet points down on a global level! I was just in Southeast Asia and U2 is everywhere. They do deliver a message of hope on a global scale.

The Jackmormons are known for going out and being this really incendiary thing, but wed probably be more popular and successful if we just toured acoustically and focused on the harmonies and did these songs. Theres a demographic who really loves that side. So, making this record, the point was to get these songs down in a way that represented some of our range.

Well, the new album is hopeful in its ways

but Im sort of saddled with the opening line [Ive got to tell you/ Id really love to get high] in this current round of press/interviews. Suddenly Im thrown back into fucking heroin world in all these articles. Its funny. In the scene I operate in, if I was using smack again people would know about it in a minute.

Its one line, one train of thought, in an album full of different pathways, but its easy to see how lazy writers latch onto that opening line. It fulfills the soundbite they have for you of junkie cult rock guy. But getting high hardly defines your life anymore, even if the thought crosses your mind, as it naturally would.

All these different things were happening when I was writing these songs death, birth and a drink and a couple pain killers sounded pretty good checking out for a few minutes, but I dont even talk about it for the rest of the song.

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My impression is youre increasingly NOT writing autobiography in the purest sense. You seem to be weaving your own tale into larger stories and going for that global thing in your own way.

If I cant own it, I cant sing it.

I had this concept the other day while reading A Peoples History of the United States, and I told a friend that this would make a great song cycle, not necessarily for me but it would be cool to write this for someone like Colin Meloy (The Decemberists), whos very good at writing characters. I dont think that Ive heard anything that nails himself down personally. But Im not a Robbie Robertson writer. I dont have a bunch of titles with guys names

like Steely Dan, who have whole cities of characters in their songs…

except Steely Dan hits it on a personal level more than they let on. At the end of the day, Donald Fagens writing probably had more of an effect on me than most things in the way I rhyme, that always-satire thing where you cant really tell whats serious.

Yeah, its not always clear where the laugh line is in your stuff or theirs.

Donald Fagen

The Cuervo Gold/ The fine Colombian/ Make tonight a wonderful thing. You know those guys were rolling on the ground when they came up with that, thinking how everyone is going to sing this and hug each other [laughs]. And though I couldnt figure it out, all my gay friends in the 70s said that Rikki Dont Lose That Number was the Number One gay anthem. I still really dont know why [laughs].

Their music gives us entrance to a darker, more interesting world most of us will never experience. They tease out strange parts of our collective psyche and invite us to inhabit them. And you do the same thing at times! Ive been struck on repeat listens to Happy Book by the way the world expands and contracts in your work. There are mentions of different parts of the world, but there are also personal stories about a new child coming into your life, your father dying, etc. Its a pretty cool trick.

If its a trick, its not one that Im conscious of. I love shock value. I love delivering that head down to the disco/ do the mambo with the chicks with dicks line [from Happy Books The Beautiful Dirt] onstage just because I love watching peoples reactions. Theres only one demographic that gets really excited! Their eyes light up and they smile, but its a small portion of the crowd [laughs].

Jackmormons by Phil Santala

I also love well-placed pretentiousness. Theres a line in North You think that I’m ridiculous/ I think I fuckin rule/ Haul you back to Texas / Send you back to school and I wrote that because of an outdoor show I was at in the 80s. This kid was dancing, obviously fucked up, and wearing a homemade t-shirt that read, I Fuckin Rule! I remember thinking, Thats the greatest shirt Ive ever seen. In a world where I dont have a lot of self-confidence, where I have a typical addict personality of massive low self-esteem combined with being completely self-centered, putting in a line like that lets people who already think so say, I told you he was a dick! But people who know me pretty well know thats not what I think. I get as much out of saying it as the audience gets out of it because its NOT how I actually feel.

And usually when its a geographical thing its a true one. Kicking Hong Kong is pretty verbatim. There was a point in my life where I had references to stuff in songs about places I hadnt been, and I consciously made myself go to those places so it wasnt an imaginary thing. Maybe the geographical stuff is an attempt to make myself look cool. I dont know [laughs].

You actually travel to these far-flung places though, and theres a reciprocal value that emerges from these trips in your music. There was no logical reason for you to do a shoestring acoustic tour of Southeast Asia this winter but

Shot from 2012 Southeast Asia Tour

except I got SO much out of it in unexplainable ways. I didnt get a tan. I didnt get to sit by the beach. It wasnt a vacation. It was really hard. We were playing every night to mixed groups, Cambodians and ex-pats and more. When I landed, my buddy said, Welcome to the Jerry Joseph Humiliation Tour because here no one gives a fuck! I was like, Thanks, Frank, and onto Show One!

I got a lot of press in Phnom Penh for some strange reason. My favorite bit was a Bangkok article that started, Lovely Jerry Joseph. I was all, I love this town!

My whole thing with travel is I really love people. I love waking up in big cities that I dont know and the commonality with the other 8 million people waking up, having their coffee and taking a shit and putting on their shirt and going about their day. Its a commonality we all have and theres something really life affirming about it for me. Its humanity and I like humanity. I dont know how to boil this stuff down into big hits. Im not U2 and my next single isnt going global, but I love trying to capture that.

In the next few months Im going to get tired of saying how happy and grateful I am, but I sure would like to learn how to do more of that in my art. Sting always said the hardest [Police] song to write was Everything Little Thing She Does Is Magic. How do you write about hope and love and not sound like a fucking two-year-old? Or how do you sound like a two-year-old and not a 20-year-old?

You want simple-ness of heart but you dont want to be a simpleton. Its a weird, fine line you have to walk with such subject matter to achieve genuine universality. Whatever one thinks of Bono personally, you have to admire U2s ability to walk this walk so well.

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I love it! The other night I was trying to figure out a Whitney Houston song to cover. Someone had shown me Chris Cornell singing I Will Always Love You, and I wasnt going to do that! So, I was doing this song Exhale, and it has a pretty uplifting thing. I listened to a Best Of and it was the only thing I could really get into since a lot of it was trite and stupid, so trite and stupid that I dont think I could gruff it up. So, sometimes the stuff that passes for hope, love and change is really trite, terrible music.

One of my most powerful musical moments was waking up first thing in the morning and my son says, So cold, so cold! and we put on that Coldplay record [Hurts Like Heaven off Mylo Xyloto] and we danced around the house for 15 minutes. Well, theres your faith in music and its ability to transform and connect. Hes a kid and hes got all the words. He knows the words to that and stuff like Twinkle Twinkle Little Star. So, I have no problem with well-crafted, mindless pop, but in the songs Im writing theres certain emotional things Im always going for, and God and sex, that Al Green/Prince thing. Im also trying to learn to write a better song. Sometimes people find [my music] too much, too emotional, but jeez, isnt that the point? As long as its not sappy – thats the trick.

For my next song cycle, I either want to write honestly about love and marriage or maybe something political. Im super engaged in politics but it makes for poor songwriting many times. You can only be a firebrand leftist at a certain age, and if youre smart and educated shit gets grey over time. Thats part of why I moved away from writing political stuff. Taking it back to the personal stuff, I dont know if theres a lyrical thread to Happy Book. Every song is different. Theres some pretty mean shit.

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Its important to hold up dark, truthful mirrors if you know these things to be true. It might not always endear you to people, but it shows you arent one of those musicians that puts as much energy into the fame machine as they do their work, the kind of folks who put as much into doing an ad campaign for a car as they do writing a song.

Well, no one has ever asked me to sell out, so I cant really say [laughs].

Recently, I was sitting in the Killing Fields with a couple Cambodians. One of them spoke pretty good English, and he and his family had been through it. Somewhere in this conversation I started talking about A.A. [Alcoholics Anonymous] and he asked me to explain it. I told him it was a conglomeration of a bunch of different religions set up to help people deal with their problems with addiction. At the end of the day, I told him its about people developing some relationship with a higher power, which well call God for the sake of argument. So, he said, When the Khmer Rouge came and started slaughtering everyone our children, our families with their HANDS, we prayed everyday to God and you know what, Jerry? God didnt come. Okay, so much for my gospel album!

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Thats such a blunt debunking of the notion of God as a benevolent gumball machine in the sky that intervenes in human affairs. Theres just too much history, too much evidence thats NOT how it works. Ask and ye probably will not receive. Thats just fact.

I call myself a Catholic because its the one I know – I know when to kneel and when to stand – and heres what I do know: If the crowd is listening AND I dont say it preachy AND I say anything like God loves you or I was saying this a lot before Tweedy wrote the fucking song about it anything about the concept that youre not alone, and about a quarter of the crowd starts balling. People want to hear that so fucking bad. They want to hear so badly that they arent alone on this fucking planet and that theyre part of a greater love. I really think its the message people are DYING to hear. They may not think that or know that but I think its why a song like Climb To Safety works so well with Panic, where they hear, Its okay, Im throwing you a rope. Youre not fighting this one by yourself. I dont know if the Cambodians would rate that song, but its something I know, and maybe, consciously and unconsciously, Im trying to get that across more in my songwriting these days.

Bill Moyers recently observed on his new PBS show that were a God hungry world.

I dont know if Id say world but definitely here in America. I dont think people in Saigon are worrying about it, but I do think everybody wants something real, maybe not every time but sometimes, and I try really hard to be honest.

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